April 11, 2023

E138 - Mom Talks With Her Carter Brothers

Please enjoy this walk down memory lane between siblings, as mom Joyce Carter and her big brothers Randy and Bill Carter reminisce about summers in Texas, growing up on snowy Mount Shasta, and their teen years in the hot desert of Tucson.

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E138 – Please enjoy this walk down memory lane between siblings, as mom Joyce Carter and her big brothers Randy and Bill Carter reminisce about summers in Texas, growing up on snowy Mount Shasta, and their teen years in the hot desert of Tucson. Family history and whether we have a Native American ancestor is discussed. And grandpa’s time in WWII and its aftermath is talked about. Hear who got in trouble for cutting down a cherry tree limb with a hatchet!

This episode was actually recorded a year+ ago and was so family-centric that we decided to just distribute it between the Carters and kin. But now we have a more pressing reason to put this out in the public – our sweet mom is no longer with us. We hope this sweet conversation will help friends, family, and fans learn more about mom and her family and remember her in the cheerful loving light that she always put out into the world.

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0:00 Intro
7:00 Bill Carter gets on
9:03 Randy Carter on & introductions
10:57 Arizona memories – bikes & guns
12:46 Meet dog Gus
14:52 Grandview Texas chigger summers
23:34 In trouble with parents
26:42 Mt Shasta life
34:26 Texan accent, colloquialisms
39:28 Stories of singing
45:51 All 3 sing “Do Lord” together
48:18 Telescope business, Jo a driver
51:19 What’s the key to a happy marriage?
53:00 Covid life
55:51 Dream Dinners
57:22 Little sister, big brothers
1:00:39 Grandkids & kids
1:03:09 Texas & family history
1:08:47 Personalities & careers
1:15:03 Grandpa & WWII
1:22:35 Native American roots & other stories
1:50:37 Racism & segregation
1:55:29 Music nowadays
1:57:15 Grape soda, banana taffy, learning to drive
1:59:57 Aches & pains
2:02:11 Farewells
2:05:50 Conclusion
2:09:01 Mom sings “Columbus Stockade Blues”


Mom Talks With Her Carter Brothers

00:00:03 - 00:05:05

PodFix. This is a president Jimmy Carter, the only podcast I listened to was his mouse and weens. Yeah. <music> Mouse and Weens and a Mouse and Weens. I said a Mouse and Weens and a Mouse and Weens. I said a Mouse and Weens and a Mouse and Weens. I said a Mouse and Weens and a Mouse and Weens . Mouse. And. Weeeeens. <music> Well hello, everybody. It's mouse and weens. We are here back from a small hiatus. And yeah, what can we say about that? This is Joelle, by the way, Julianne is to my left. We're both here in San Diego. Joelle is the mouse. I'm the weens. That's right. But the reason we were gone, if you haven't heard, or have been on social media is because our dear mother passed away m id January. She was on a ton of episodes if you guys want to see which we made a little list on if you go to our Instagram link. There's a link under that. Which will point to her episodes, but yeah, grief is no joke. We kind of shut everything down for a few months, really. It was hard to do anything. And anyway, we finished, we did our last memorial service to her. We did two, and now we are kind of stepping into the new season. So starting today, we'll put out this episode Juls, you want to explain how we had this episode? Well, this was maybe a couple months ago where a year ago. Oh, wow, it's been that long. Okay, well, I thought it would be cool to get mom and her two brothers because, you know, on the podcast and we haven't seen them or talked to them in a long time, and we just wanted to gather some of mom's history, so think goodness, we did that as well as, I mean you always inspire me to ask mom to talk about her personal stories and her childhood. But I was especially getting excited about learning more. I feel like we spent so many years nitpicking dads. I did. The angled side because they were so prominent in our childhood. And I feel like mom's, I don't know. What do you think? Yeah, we wanted to know more about mom's childhood and get her brothers on air because everybody's getting older. I mean, it was kind of a weird, well, we'll talk about this in our next episode. We're going to do kind of a deep dive in this whole change in our lives and everything, but yeah, people get older and you need to do all the things and collect all the stories and we're really glad that we did. So this is a long episode which we kind of looked at back in the day and thought, we'll just give this to our family. Because really, I don't know how great it would have been out in the public, but now we're seeing it in a completely different light. And knowing how much the listeners you guys, thank you. Love mom. And loved her on our show and would send us beautiful notes. We got a really great fan letter with a sketch of mom. I'm going to hold it up to the camera. We're on YouTube right now. Whoever did this is a great artist. Okay, let's read the letter here, Joel. Okay. Constant fire. Harder. Oh, I love it. I am really sorry for the recent loss of your mom. I never knew her, so I wanted to let you know you have people out there who are big fans and thinking about you. Me being one of them. I like to dabble in art, but portraits are not my strong suit. But just know I made this drawing out of your mom. Oh, sorry. This drawing of your mom out of love. All right, enough. Her love stuff. Her love shines through you enough for me to be able to draw a picture of her, and I've never met your sweet mom. Perhaps your mom worked through my hands as I drew her. Either way I wanted to show you, I'm thinking of you. And expressing my thoughts in a way I know how. Art, the original drawing is very simple and nothing to write home about. Crude, if you will, but I like it enough to share. I am putting it in the mail once I get a bigger envelope. I don't want to bend it. I'm rooting for you too. Don't feel like we are Tapping our feet waiting for you to come back. Take your time and heal much love from a fan, constant farter. A big fan. That may or may not be my real name, but no I am constantly farting, especially when I drive.

00:05:06 - 00:10:00

That's farting, so it may be my name. I love that. And it's such a beautiful portrait. We're going to post it, right? Yeah. We'll put it out there. So thank you very much. Oh my gosh. At sentiment was heard a few times around don't hurry you guys, take your time, so we appreciate letting us off the hook a little bit while we went through this crazy phase. Wait, I also want to tell constant barter. That we put out this email next to a listening station at mom's memorial on Saturday, which we call the celebration of life, and we had this little your letter sitting there with a listening station, so anyone could come by and listen to mom on mass and podcasts. We had it set up, so you just put it on headphones and listen. And this beautiful I know. And it was just a symbol of how mom, you know, you may have met her once quickly. You may have only heard her on our podcast, but she was the type of spirit that she really touched everybody and people felt such kinship with her and love and warmth. She was like a surrogate mom to a lot of my friends too. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. Thank you guys so much for your support and for hanging in there and we'll be back with more regular content really soon as we are finishing up Julianne spring break and I'll be going on spring break, but then we're back and about it being bad a boom. We're gonna put out some episodes. But yes, we will do another big mom episode, but anyway, for now, please enjoy this episode with mom and her two brothers talking about growing up in the 50s and they're on. All right, thanks. I love you. Hi. Hi. This is exciting stuff. Yeah, I held on to my hat in case I assume too fast or something, you know. I don't deal in much high-tech anymore. Well, that's understandable. Anyway. So Julianne's on there too. Hi Bill. Oh, really? How are you? Fine, how are you? I'm good. I'm so excited that you could come. This is so cool. Well, yeah. I heard you guys are still alive. Okay. I hear Teresa in the background. Yeah, she was warning me that remember I'm on the Internet. So I have to be careful what I say. Don't we all, huh? Yeah, I guess. We can take things out if you decide after I don't want to share that or whatever. So that's fine. We can edit. It's not live. Yeah, there's a lot of guys in prison that fought that too, you know. And now with 23andMe, they're using DNA to catch people in families, so. Oh yeah. So did I tell you about our results that we are all super British, like who we are? Like 90 7% or something. Smashing. It was kind of disappointing. I wanted something exotic to come out of it, but no such luck. I was always under the impression, you know, talking to mom and dad over the years that we had a lot of relatives, I guess, that came out of Wales. Yes, daddy's. I guess that's considered the British Isles. That is. Hey, Randy's here. Oh, here I am. Yay. Yay. I'm so excited. We've got just like grandma Carter to me. Yes. Okay. I hope. A little more hair on the upper lip, although she was getting there too. She had some whiskers. Okay, we're all okay, I'm ready. Yay. Now do you remind? Do you mind if we record this for our podcast, we were gonna well, I won't curse or do anything, straight. Oh, curse awake. Cursing is fine. Just don't get naked. Oh, darn. Let me go get dressed right quick. Well, how you guys, we're mouse and wean, so I'm Joelle mouse. This is our nickname. I don't know if you knew this.

00:10:00 - 00:15:02

And then Julianne is weans. And you guys are amazing family. Ah, yeah. Thanks for coming on. So Randy was always the base in our Quartet. Can you tell why? There's any of a great voice. Oh my gosh, we're going on a walk with uncle Randy. He's taking his phone out and we're looking at all that's beautiful. A Lake, this is the boat dock, right? In Austin, Texas. It is on his balcony. That's amazing, Randy. Now that's where I'm at and it's about 65°. It's pretty pleasant. So I find it interesting that you all all three of you carters, this is Joyce Carter, Randy Carter, and Bill, are you still there, Bill? Yes, I am. Now you guys all live in very beautiful places. So you all ended up in gorgeous land, did you consider growing up in did you like Arizona and the desert? And did you consider that gorgeous land or did you all want to escape to the more when I was a kid? I could hardly wait for the weekend because that's when I got to go out and play in the desert. Yeah, both he and I both if guys enjoyed racing around in our bikes and wrecking into cactus and started off. Don't forget to be begun fights with the neighbors. And, well, we went out and we started getting real guns, Bill was much further ahead of it than I was. They always gave me a shotgun and he got shoot the rifles, so. What would you shoot? Nothing. Whatever. I've gotten away, I guess. There wasn't anything, really. You walk around out in the desert and all the animals know where you're at. They all take off like nobody. I don't think we ever killed anything after. Shot a lot of trees and rocks and everything. I used to try and shoot the geckos off the top of the patio wall and but they're kind of small and BB gun in the most accurate thing in the world. So it doesn't sound like there were many people out there then. It was the entrance to Davis monson Air Force Base and we used to watch the B 36s and B 47s tick off. Are you looking at gush your dog? Look at this. Isn't he the cutest? Oh my God. Got a bone. He's got some droopy eyes, droopy ears. That's flash. So years ago, their son Scott gave Randy and joy. His dog, right? And his name was Fred, and he was a basset hound. And I went down to see him and out of the blue, Fred jumped up on my bed with me in the guest bedroom, and aunt Choi goes. He is never jumped up on her bed. He really must like you to work that hard to get up on a bed. But anyway, that was Fred. Yeah. All I got was a sock. He would bring you a sock. He'd bring me a sock, and that was his present to me when I'd go over and visit. He did do, he did do presents for people that showed up if he liked you. And he would bring one of the toys, you know, somebody bring it to doorbell. He'd be standing there with a door and give to him. He was very, very nice dog, so. When was the last time you guys all saw each other? 2004. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been March march coyote of 2004. That's funeral that grandma. Yeah, that was the last time we got to do something about that problem. In March, it would be nice down here, but you come down and you lie and you'll think nice. Yeah. Do you remember the summers that we would spend in grand view with the June bugs crawling on the screens? Do you have those down there Randy? Oh, yes.

00:15:02 - 00:20:12

Yeah, we have junebugs. We have lightning bugs. We have all the buds. We have bugs that have bugs, so. Somebody helped me. I don't know if it was one of the cousins or whether it was Randy or what, but I'd have them hold the June bug and then I'd tie a piece of thread sewing thread to the middle leg and then you'd let them go and then you'd fly them like a model airplane. Actually, that was in that was in Tucson and that was those big yeah, but that was. That was with those. Yeah, palo Verde beetles. I don't know what they were, but they were big. Yeah. I know they'll crack your windshield if you're riding a motorcycle. Oh my gosh, really. That down in down in Texas, we fly them like until they wore out and you just cut the string and then they'd walk off, you know, and go find another one, but it was a lot of fun. Do you remember having the hose on grandpa's honey house, roof? I never took the hose up there occasionally we did, but he always yelled at us for sliding off of it. Yes. Because it had, but she only did that once or twice. And then you got too many planners that you didn't do it anymore. But that was all the slime would wipe off and then you're stuck with splinters. Yeah. That was right. That was right next to that big old country. I like the country in the summertime because that one branch stuck out. You could take a nap on it. Yeah. Real flat. Go ahead, Julianne, what? I would just get a little context of where we're talking about. This is Graham view, Texas. Texas, yes. And how old were you guys? Is this where you were born and raised? Every summer. If you were to see. I was old enough to ride by myself on the train. Oh. Let's see. Build 40 to 45 model. George is 49 model and I'm a 48 model. So if you put all those gears with 64, that'll give you kind of a mid that was kind of the middle of the period of time we were down with grandma and grandpa a lot. You guys were coming from to San and you would hop on a train and you would go to grandma's for the summer. You come into Fort Worth and grandpa and grandma natives there in port wars and two to the right on down. To grab you. And there are 60 model forward. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it was kind of a brownie. It was Brown. And would you guys look forward to this? Was it exciting to go? What would you do when you were there? Well, I don't think we were quite as excited as her. Mom and dad, though. They got rid of us. Because they would come, they would give us a week down there. And then so we had lots to do lots of fun. We had an uncle who had a grocery store, so we would go to uncle Dex grocery store and hang out mostly. We thought we were working and helping him, but no. We would help ourselves to grape sodas and he tried to teach, didn't he try to teach you Randy how to butcher some meat or something? I did that back there. Most of it was picking up the bones and everything and he had me wrap those. Or special people. Realize there's a lot of people back then that didn't have a lot to eat. And he would trim the beat out off the bones, but leave quite a bit, and he would wrap him up and he knew who was going to be in and they would give it to him. For dinner. Yeah, he taught he taught me how to cut a round steak off of a leg of a cow. So it's very good. Have you cut any round steaks off cows lately? No, well, you gotta hold them. You know, they do kind of lose their temper. Trying to find. Yeah, anyway, any taught me how to wrap and that took forever because I always put the wrong side of the paper up. Right. Right. And remember, this is something I remember. When I walked by a telephone pole that smells like a creosote, it reminds me of grandma Edwards dunking us in her slipper tub after we get chiggers.

00:20:14 - 00:25:02

Do you remember that? That was a lysol. Why so I don't I don't remember that, but I do remember the first thing we did when we showed up at their house that she gave a sulfur tablet, so those things up. What was that for? Keeps the chiggers off. Yeah. That's cool. Chiggers are very Texas, right? 'cause I've heard my Texas friend. What are they? They are everlasting mosquito bites. They don't go away for a month. Very, very, very tiny spider. That just, it's just bad. You have to look them up. Anybody that lives anybody that lives in the Bible belt or is a so called Bible belt. You know the southern states and everything. Everybody knows what a trigger is. Okay. And they seem to gather around the tight places like the elastic around your socks and your underwear and any place that's tight. And the only place around my grandma's house or our grandma's house that didn't have chiggers was the yard that had St. Augustine grass. Right. That the rest of the yard and everything else along the driveway was Bermuda grass and they loved that. And I mean, you could just walk through it and not play in it or anything else, and you'd have chiggers. It was awful. And then that's the term. There's a term for things that are messed up. See, so. Instead of their children. No. Buggered up. Down here. It's triggered up. It's messed up bad. Yeah. That's the way the way that we got rid of them is grandma would make a nice hot bath in that claw foot tub. And then she'd put, I remember it was three cap folds of that lysol a mix with water. And there's a little bottle and everything like that. And she put three cap pools and per bathtub. And then you'd go take a bath, you know, you'd get clean with salt, but you'd also take a bath and soak in it. You had to soak in it for at least 15 minutes. And it smelled high heaven. But it almost smells like creosote. In fact, I wouldn't doubt that there was creosote in it. That's what I'm remembering 'cause honestly I can go by a telephone pose any summer day and I think at that tub. Yeah, you think about going and taking a bath, huh? No. Developed in it or something. All right. What was grandma and grandpa like your grandma and grandpa? What did they do? And were they nice? Were they mean? Grandpa had a mean streak. And your grandma had a, I'll do what grandpa wants me to do. Now, he's talking right now about our mom and dad. Yes. Yes. Got it. Okay. So they were, they were a pair. Now they were loving pear and everything and good parents, but they just, what's difficult sometimes with dad. And mom would use him, you know, I myself early on. He would frighten you sometimes. Scared. Scared the bejesus out of you. Anyway. When he would take his belt off, the safest place to be was around Joyce. He never had I recall. He never raised a hand to that girl. No. Daddy's girl, but you guys got it, huh? Oh yeah. Well, I don't know about Randy, but I know I did. Well, he came after me for what you did sometimes, and that made me well, it worked both ways.

00:25:04 - 00:30:04

I didn't ever do anything bad. The only thing. The only time he ever spanked me, it was one spank on my bottom over his knees, and we were in mount Shasta in that big two story house that we rented, and there was a cherry tree outside and Randy had gotten a hatchet, for his birthday, and I'm going to say you were maybe ten. Randy. And I took his hatchet and I went outside on a balcony. And I hatched it away a limb. And it had cherries on it. And it fell to the ground. And then I diddled right on down to pick the cherries, and then daddy came in and he goes, who cut the branch off the cherry tree. And I go, not me, Randy, so I had George Washington. And he looked at me and he said, Joyce, Carol. I can not believe that you chose to tell a lie. He threw me down over his lap and he gave me one whack on my bottom and he tells the story that I stood up with tears in my eyes going. If you ever hit me again, I'm not gonna love you anymore. It's the one and only time that I can ever remember. Yeah, that was hit you again. He was worried you wouldn't love him anymore. So it worked. Good job. That was orm streak, if you remember. Do you remember that? That was the greatest place in the world to sled down in the wintertime. Totally. So mount Shasta, we lived up there, daddy was transferred from the southern Pacific railroad up there as a dispatcher, in dunsmuir, and we lived in mount Shasta, which was the bottom of the mountain. We were right on the foothills, so the streets were very much like San Francisco. I mean, you would find flat streets, but then you'd find ones that are 30° or more, and Orem was one of those. And you can hightail it down that street. Yep. You put gravel at the bottom of the street to stop the sledders and everything is too steep to put cars on. The cars all parked around the post office that's down at the bottom of the street. And I remember skiing with Bill and you from the, I don't know if it was from the lodge, but we would go down the back country. Is that what it's called back country? There would be cross country. Cross country. And we could skip basically almost into our backyard. If the snow was right and they didn't plow the street, you could get across the dock. Everett memorial highway that went up to the ski lodge. Once you've got a cross that, you could ski right into the front yard of our House. Right. Now that was when we lived on skibo drive. Lasting language flat out there. They had to pass your behind the house. And didn't they have a cemetery to the right of our House? Yeah. Out there on lesson lane here. Yes. If it's around the curve. And all of the, all of the farmers, the dairy farmers and everything, or anybody that had a cow. The fields were just good grass fields. And they had streams that ran through them. And the grass would grow over the top of the stream and you could go catch dinner there because a lot of fish hatchery fish, you know, the rainbows and browns would get out in they'd make a make a home in those streams. And I mean, they were pretty good size. They were probably a good 14 to 16 inches. All you needed was a can of worms. And a sinker with a hook on it. You know, and just go stand over the stream because they couldn't see us for the grass. And then you just stick it in there and next thing you know, there's the line wiggles and you pull up two or three of them and take them home for dinner. You know what? I remember about that as being in the room, my bedroom and looking out to the right and that cemetery was there, and I saw something, it was a flashlight with one of those reflectors on it that were read, and I was sure that it was the devil walking around.

00:30:05 - 00:35:08

And I was wigged out for you. I don't know how many years. Was that you? I won't admit anything. I used to go up to Larry cardoza's house, which you go up past the cemetery and turn right and went up about a block and a half. And he was he and I went to school together, you know, so and we'd go up there and mess around and do whatever, you know, and go fishing and stuff like that. But I can remember that he would come down to the house and he would not walk next to that cemetery. Yeah. He would turn and go down on the opposite side of the road. Until we got past the cemetery, then he'd come over to the, you know, to the side we lived on. And everything was fine, but that entire household is, they believed that there were ghosts running all over the place. I could have moved right in with them because I was sure of it. Sure. So Randy, you mentioned the Lombardi. Tell us about that. That's a dairy farm that has a growing family. We would take our milk cans out there and load them up. They were those two and a half gallon milk cams. And it was straight. I mean, he added in a cooler and everything. We had one or two at a time. And we would take them out and he would give us two out of the cooler and his clean those up and fill them up. So you were buying bulk, raw milk. And my mother loved it, which was your grandmother. She loved that fresh cow milk because the top was heavy, heavy cream, and the cows were real, real good producers. I mean, it was very good milk. So that was Lombardi's and they also got a kick of us kids coming out there because he had too little donkeys. And he would rise, except Joyce got thrown into the fence off of one of them one timer. I know. That's still getting thrown around, but that's horse riding background. I remember when they were really, really happy whenever they had the prettiest cow in the world. Jersey cow, you know, they produced pretty good milk, but they're just a good looking cow. And they've got big eyelashes and all that stuff like that. But they were so happy when their pregnant cow had twins. And they thought that was good luck from then on, they were going to have good luck in everything. And the next thing you know, there was two other cows and they were Guernsey cows, they had twins, eat two of them, had twins. Wow. And they didn't know what they were going to do, whether they had enough pasture, not to feed them all. It was really like a family thing. People would come and just to look at the cows, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And that's when I found out that a Jersey cow was the prettiest cow in the world. Yeah. Did anyone end up having cows in their life? Barbecue they ever once in a while, but others. I don't know if there's vegans or not here. Wait, we did know how to eat them. That's for sure. Your grandma or your grandpa or my dad was a great barbecue. He really could take a stake and make it taste good. Lowry seasoning salt. Yep. Oh yeah. And they had to be at least an inch and a half thick. Yeah, I remember him raising and lowering that barbecue over the flame in the backyard and Tucson. It was like magic. Hey, now Randy, you kept your accent, but Bill and mom, you don't have one. Did you guys ever have a Texan accent or is this all because you lived there for so long, Randy? I have lived here since 68. So if it's a Texas accent, that's where it's from. There's different sex and stuff. There's some people would say ain't got no learning, but it isn't that. There's a lot of colloquial. Central Texas pretty mild compared to some of their West Texas cowboy ish and east Texas Twain, north Texas 22.

00:35:09 - 00:40:15

Mom and dad were the north Texas 21s. And I'm just kind of in the middle of the road down here. I don't ever remember mom and dad ever losing their accent at all. Dad worked harder at it than in mom did. And mom. He got a little bit of help with the people he worked with. Being a dispatcher, you were you were in a building that had a lot of people from Oklahoma and Texas and places like that. And so everybody, you go in there and you felt like you were in the south. Well, that mom had the same thing in the church with Winnie el chuck and Louisiana accent. Yeah. It all relative, I guess. I think it sounds wonderful. You guys from California think you don't have an accent, but we don't at all. What? What? Like if you were to pronounce it a letter at a time, it's funny to listen to the letters fall off like, especially watching wheel of fortune with all the California people on it. Can I have an M and. You just watch it sometimes? Julie. Can you say you Randy? Just say you. You. Oh, that's pretty normal. Okay. I'm gonna eat. Okay, that's a good one. Here's a group of words that you need to ask people then. You have a shirt or a blouse with flowers on it. What is it called? No. Well, that's one. I mean, what is it that the decoration on it? Oh, calico, floral? Floral, art flowered, but it's certainly not flowery, is it? No. Well, you come down here. So, no, there's kind of a funny group. You get that Narcan saw too. Go ahead, next. Give me another one. It's the black things that you drive around on the streets. On your course. Tire. Car. It's cars. Well, I remember always saying, and we didn't call her aunt Vera. It was aunt Vera. And she would go, I need you to carry me up to wherever. Not drive me, or come pick me up, but carry me. Carry me. So mom, did you waste her on your back and I just felt like she's just going to be a tough one. On your back. That's a good one. And then I don't even remember the song there's that song carry me back to old virginity. Yeah. You wouldn't stay drive me back. But I always think that you'd have to be in a casket to be carried. Pretty much it, I think. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh, other words, I don't know. Yeah, so if you had a shirt, it has lines on it. And it's different color, not a game room, but. Checkered. Say the word oil. Well, I should say. Well, no, don't copy me. Oil. I mean, I always say or there's no, but you've got to get into some of the other areas. It's all. We're sophisticated here in Austin. You tea. Go YouTube. Yeah, Bill just said it, right? Yeah. I was going to see, does anybody still sing? Has anyone actively doing that? Only choice that I know of. Really? Well, Bill gave up the choir just a couple years ago, right? Okay. Yeah, I got to where I just, I couldn't. I couldn't see the words anymore and what really, well, you know, presbyterians always want to, they always want to keep up with the Joneses, you know. And so other churches like methodists and others in that genre, you know? They decided that was better to with the hymnal to keep the song that changed the words.

00:40:16 - 00:45:02

Oh jeez. And I found myself trying to sing to songs that I've known for 50 years, right? To different words and that, you know, you couldn't even sing with the rest of the congregation or anything like that, you know, and then they'd look at you like, well, what's the matter, don't you know the words? But anyway, so that happened plus it was just getting harder for me, you know, I was they were what they were doing is they were sending me the anthems that we were doing in the choir back in those days I could still see the screen on my computer and I would print it off. I'd print the words off. They'd send it to me in large 22 font. And bold 22. And then I would read them, memorize them and then I could listen to the song off the computer and then when I got to church choir practice or for services, I had that memorized. And I did that for years. And it got to the point. It got to the point that was just too much trouble. It was too hard to do. Right. So Bill is a tenor slash baritone, Randy is a base, I kind of want to get down to a beat, I can get down to B flat sometimes. All right, that's more than me. I kind of wander around in a really, really small area. But Randy, when I was in high school, I wanted him to come sing with me at an all state choir, and I talked him into auditioning, which was not his nature, and he sang. He sang down in the deep. It's you remember that, right? Oh, yeah. Yes, yes, I remember that. I can still say that I just haven't worked very hard at it. Well, he this song is they were showing off his face notes, and oh my gosh. I was so proud of him. 'cause he just kept going lower and lower and lower. Lower. Do you remember the director lane justice? Justice. He re keyed that, okay, he had me come in there and sing it and then he re keyed it and I sang it again. He'd reheated it. And he says, we can't go any lower. So this is it. So that's how it got. Isn't that cool? Anyway. Randy, because mom and I feel like I should. Well, none of us do, but that's good. Go ahead. Julianne's asking you a question. I was asking if we could get a little sample of that because now I would love to know how low can you go? I could go this low. Can you go over? No, I don't know. Do you do a little scale? No, let's not do that. That's why auditioning and everything. Okay, mom, will you do it with them so we could, so you'll get encouraged. You guys can all do it together. Bill, you pick a key and we'll just do a scaled down. For me? You mean like just pick a note and then we'll head down and Randy can go octave lower. I see. Just go just go to start at C. Cool. That's awesome. Alabama. If you ever listen to Alabama and the old base, whatever it is.

00:45:04 - 00:50:01

Thanks for all those notes. And it's just very easy. So if we had to sing a song, the three of us, what would it be? That all three of us know. I don't know. Down by the river to pray. Oh, gee, that's from God, that movie. No. It's not saying. My brother, Randy. I love it though. I know that. If I went down to the river to pray, studying about that. Is that it? In the good old way. I don't know. I don't know that. How does that one go? Let's go do lord. I got a home in glory. I've got a home. And then I have a chance. Wait. Neither one of you are on the same team. With one, there's a delay on mine. I'm running a note and a half ahead or behind. I don't know which. I'm listening to the lead in the Tanner's supposed to be an octave lower, but I think it's so loud. We don't think. We'll do one. And I did pretty well there in the Mercedes, but yeah. I'm pretty reserved. Let's put it that way. Was that after the wine or before? I remember. I took uncle Bill in my convertible and we cranked up the tunes and oh my goodness. We're having such fun singing. See that you guys have to have a reunion again so we could all get together and we'll all sing together. So I'm thinking Texas, Randy, lucky you. How many air fans do you have? Let's get gushes on one. Let's see. I have a computer room upstairs. It's pretty much there. And it's got a, it's got a bin bit. That's one of the grand challenge. So it's got to be in bed, but Gus now thinks that's his because I go up and I'm a big YouTuber. I like to go through a lot of YouTube stuff and everything. I just enjoy it. It's almost like following families sometimes. But I'm up there, go up to YouTube and watch the news and everything. And he's there. So that's one bad. And then there's another queen side up there. And the other bedroom. There's the counting room. The counting room. All the quarters. No, you moved it, and I was staying. Okay, so Randy. Explain why you have quarters to count. I have business that I still run. I have about 70 coin operated telescopes in a lot of the state parks and down on the coast. And. Boardwalk and for a lot of places and I have a lot of coin operated telescopes. Sitting there kind of making money this year, but not really. It would be hard to describe them without walking out there and showing you some of them. I think it's wonderful. But it's the kind of understand right when you go to look over the ocean and you pay a quarter. Or 50 cents. Wow. Inflation. I've got real good business for you if you want it. It requires a lot of driving. I would love that. I secretly want to be a long distance trucker and put on podcasts and make money. I would like I drive a lot and I see what the truckers have to go through things that makes sense. Okay. Might be joking. Oh, okay. How about a school bus driver? Is that any better? Now, there again. I have some friends that have been school bus drivers. And you just want to get out of the house. It's what I'm boiling it down to. I just need to get out for punishment.

00:50:03 - 00:55:10

Uber driver. And then now you don't want to do that. Then you've got to fight traffic all the time. You need to be a park ranger. She likes that idea. Yeah. I want to move to a I just envy all you guys because I know that you all live in, oh, excuse me. I just said y'all. Look at your rubbing off. Well, you know you can't say you guys anymore. That's like kind of a why not? I say you guys all the time too, but it's a new thing that you have to. Hi and joy. She is our young device too. Sure. I'm using to you guys. Let's get her on. Yeah, she's the queen of how y'all doing y'all gonna be okay at y'all's hotel and do what? You're the queen of y'all. Yeah. I am a y'all. She's got enough of you all for everybody. Uh oh, they're calling. I've got the full accent too. I love it. Oh. Can you guys talk about your marriage? What is the key to a happy marriage? Each one of you. It's a trick question. Stay out of each other's way. You gave each other their space. Basically. Got it. Look at that. You become a trucker and you get out of town. No. Yeah. That's right. Seriously, you all three agree on that. Hell yeah. Totally. If you can't listen to each other, it just won't work. That's all there is to us. That's true. And just don't get it in your mind. You know everything. Yeah. You don't know me. It's taken you how many years? Well, you know, I don't know. Randy, how long have you guys been married anyway? 40 5. It's like forever. There's a 74 model 74 to 45. 40 5. Yeah. A lot of years. Sure. We're fine. Well, we got 39. We had a tough year this year. Not necessarily waiting wise, but just with the COVID and I have some things happened, so it just everybody's got to work together and get through it. Take care of each other. Take care of each other. Stay out of each other. How was that with COVID? Did that change your lives a lot? No, not really. We liked it. It's quiet. It didn't change it quite a bit without being able to be around the grandkids. That's a major concession. We miss them. This is the first year that we haven't been able to hug their grandkids at Christmas, you know, so. Yeah, that's rough and we did elbow bumps. That's cute. You know what's cute, Randy and joy is that little sylvie and my little Charlotte are buddies now on social media. They do their little kids messenger. And they chat and they talk and they send each other little things all the time. Oh, in fact, sylvie asked Charlotte, Charlotte, what do you want out of anything in the world? Because my grandpa's playing the lottery and he's going to win and he'll buy you anything you want. Oh, which grandpa? I don't know. I assumed it was you, but maybe not. I'm going to break down and get one. I think just because I can do it online and not go out and have to. Go into some of these convenience stores. Convenient stores that we have out here. They're not clean to begin with. And then you throw the COVID in there. Scary stuff. Oh, they're not that bad, but. Well, Danny bought 5 tickets and then we spent it all, and his quote is, we go to bed millionaires on Saturday night. Sunday morning. We'll see. But yeah, it's pretty impressive. We lost a sister here. I know. She took off like a racehorse. Oh, Julian. Maybe she had pressing matter. You know, y'all were in how COVID changed things for us, not just with the grandkids, but I'm doing curbside pickup now, which I'm sure y'all are doing as well on groceries.

00:55:10 - 01:00:01

That's where I just came back from after looking for a place where my mom. Yeah, yeah. How is your mom? That's handy. Yeah, I did. Yeah, we do that up here too. Joel has ugly fruits delivered to her, and they look exactly like what you get in the grocery store. Yeah, I was looking at them. I was thinking about starting that up too. I mean, it depends on the grocery store that you've seen the fruits into. Yeah. Yeah, this has got a service, it's called imperfect produce, and they just send you a box, leave it on your porch. It's kind of nice. And then I do dream dinners, too, which is actually sponsor of our show, but they pre pack meals for you in freezer bags, and you get to put about 6 meals in your freezer and thaw them out, you know, one at a time, it takes like a day, and then you just put it together really quick for meals. So I love it. Mom loves making them too. They're really easy, and they make good food. Yeah, I'm so bored with trying to come up with different, you know, we're not going out to eat at all for a year or so. Come up with different menus. It's more than anything else. Yeah, look at dream dinners. Well, I can't. I can't drink anymore anyway, which is some of this medication I'm on, but anyway. Yeah, do you dream dinners, you guys? It's the best. It really is easy. I'll check it out. And you don't have to go shopping it just shows up ready to go meals. They're great. I wonder if they deliver out in the country. We're going to isolate it out. Yeah. When I have to white flag the UPS guy down, tell them where to go. You've made this. You've made this big block out here in this, it's kind of a pretty rule little subdivision. We love it. You'll see you'll see I'm looping around here, looking around, and I said driving aimlessly. Send them a smoke signal. They've got a beautiful place there. Yeah, can I can I ask a specific Joe? Yeah. Sure. Okay, now mom has a memory of being stuffed in in my shouting. What? Sorry. Mother has a memory influence stuffed in a closet. And also, I'm starting to feel like Johnny cash. That's who you sounded like Randy when it first got on. Both of you guys actually have a little Johnny Cash in you. Was that an influence of yours at all? No. No. All right. Oh, great boys. What about the, did you guys torture mom? I want to hear some good brother, big brother stories. No. She ran so fast to her mom and dad. You had no he couldn't. Wait a minute. I'm going to tell daddy. You're well, yeah, that's what you do when you're the little sister. I remember one where you guys took me to the playground down at mount Shasta's elementary school. And they had those big galvanized pipes swings. And you helped me get up onto the top bar, and then you unhooked the swings. And there were two unchains, and then you left. So I was up on this top bar with no way to get down because I didn't have a swing to shimmy on. So I had to go down the side post. And I remember that. That sounds like a better way to do it. Yeah. I have more stories. I remember at lassen lane that you opened up the hatch into the basement into the crawlspace. And you guys talked me into going down, and then you closed the hatch over me. Well, that was a little actually, that was a little basement. That was their that's where they dumped pole. Why not? Oh, well, that makes it okay then. No. Like where you put your potato sellers. That's what it was. It was a little seller. So okay.

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But I don't remember latching or closing the door. It was pretty hard to get open, but yeah. This is where you apologize to me as an adult saying we're sorry we ever did anything to you. When does that happen? Today? Animal two. If I don't remember it, I can't apologize. I promise I promise I'll never do it again. So little Charlotte, my daughter just got on. You can't see your Bill, but she's listening. And she's a little Joyce. She has two big brothers, so she. Can I touch this and expand it? Maybe I don't know. Yeah, if you go to the view in the top. Hi, Charlotte. Hi. That's a joy. That's sylvie's grandma and grandpa. Yeah. Oh, cool. Hi, Charlotte. Hi. Just wondering how old everybody is now. Grandkids are two at Euro two, 6 year olds, and then 14 year old and 11 year old, maybe. No, 12 year old. 12 year old. Yeah. That's Laurie stepchildren. Daughters. Yeah, and we don't ask us how Lori and Scott are. We don't know. I told him. Well, no. Lorries are 78 model and Scotland 81 model. There you go. Yeah. Got little cousins. Yes. Scott will be turning 40, I think. Yeah, he's going to be 40 this year. Amazing, isn't it? I feel like an old guy. And how about you, Bill? 16 14 and 12. Wow. Fun. Yeah, we're on social media with Todd and Jill so we get to live by proxy. It's fun. Oh, okay. We're good. Yeah. Yeah, they're the techies over there. All of the grandkids are in stem programs. So nice. Yeah, actually, I didn't realize that there wasn't just something you could sign up for. You have to be qualified for it. That's good. And so anyway. Well, they have good. They're the smart ones over there and we're the ones that just model if we need help with technology, we just give Todd a call. Every once in a while, I'll talk to Randy about it, but I'm going to jump back to Graham view. When mom had her grave side, one of our cousins, Tommy, Edwards, had done genealogy, and he took us out to a grave site that he and his dad are uncle Thomas, had actually, I think that was John Paul. Oh, was it? Well, he was here with us, yeah. So that was the original grandview. Yeah, well, they both they both had stuff going on. Yeah. Okay. So what I remember is Tommy was what and the attorney general assistant or something down at an Austin. And he had a little more pull and he was able to get the grave site, I don't know, historically registered, and I correct. Yeah, yeah, there was that there was some people from the Civil War that were buried there. And but I can't remember who they were. Well, I remember him saying that this guy was, you know, great great uncle blah blah. And I remember seeing little gravestones there which were a bunch of babies that were buried, but then there was one that said hanged by the neck until dead. Remember that one? Well, yeah, but that wasn't part of the family. Oh, good. That was one and it didn't really have a name on it, but it was right next to the one of the ones he was looking at.

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Or somebody like, yeah. Yeah, so he said, we hope that wasn't part of the family. That's what it was. I kept thinking, oh my God. I mean, not that there weren't some, but, you know, that was kind of in that context back then. I thought that was an interesting day. It was very historical. And the other thing I wanted to touch on is how grandpa Edwards would take us fishing. And what your memories are and what mine are. Catching the grasshoppers and going to those muddy tanks and stick. And stepping around big cow pies. So how was it that he thought there would be fish in those? We're always there. How come? Because they put perch in those cattle ponds and some bass, but yeah, there's always you put fish in there and it would help keep the awesome stuff that the algae that grew in there would help keep it under control and then they also that was what they ate. So they got some pretty good sized ones there. And supersized turtles. And he took the 22 out and led us to turtles too. Yeah, right. I would take it down to walker's creek there where the swimming hole was and the cousins and couple of the kids from town and everything would go swimming there. And there was a huge oak tree and you could lay down over the and it was over the pond and you could lay there and shoot the turtles when they'd stick their head up out of the water. But you couldn't hit anything. They were they were loggerheads snapping turtles. Yeah, but you couldn't hit anything with that old gun. You gave us that, well, no. 22. It looks good. And had a good time. It would shoot every books for you. Have you guys ever gotten bit by a snapping turtle? I heard it hurts. When I was just a little kid and we were in, I believe it would have been sparks, Nevada, I had one of those green department store turtles that had a painted back on it. And I got I had a piece of lettuce that I had in my fingers and apparently I wasn't far enough away for more a bit in it took the end of my finger off there. It didn't take it off. But it pinched it pretty good and I had a little blood coming out and I never liked turtles after that. Even grandma Carter's pokey, the turtle and her backyard there. Lightning. Lightning. Oh, no. We like pokey. Pokey. I had a poke here. And I didn't call him boki, but he wandered off, but those tortoises advise. Sweet animal. Don't you know how she would feed the little tortoise all this lettuce, and it would eat it like fast. Yeah. It was so cute. So can I ask you guys, what you would say, what are each of your personalities growing up? And I know that's kind of a random question, but Randy, were you as far as one of the kids were you the grounded one and Bill was the crazy one and mom was the sweet where are you guys? I would say I'm the introverted one, a very, very quiet. I just never, never did much. Well, you did. You did a chill in things. You just your own horn. Very accomplished. Yeah, maybe. Bill. Well, I bring stuff home from the junkyard. But put things together like we had, I think I shared it with everybody, but I built one of those. It's like a coast well, I called it a coaster, but you got maybe coach wheels or off of a buggy.

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Well, yeah, buggy. I don't know what they are. They call them a pram in England. I don't know what they, anyway. But I'd make that gets nails out of dad's bucket of nails there and everything. And that was the axles and tie a rope to it. To the front axle that I ran a bolt through and everything and you'd sit on it and go downhill with it. I had a wooden brake on it. On the side, and you'd just use it, drag it on the pavement until you stopped and that I do stuff like that. I put a motor on the back of a bicycle. One time, that was when I was in high school, though. So that might be in the gearhead category, maybe. And I was an amateur radio operator too. Oh wow, damn radio? CB? Yeah. Yeah ramp a card or two. That is cool. Yeah, he taught me he helped me with Morris code that I needed to pass the test. And he learned as well because the Morris code that he knew as a telegrapher when he worked for the railroad was the old Morris coat. The stuff I learned and he had to learn was the international Morse code. Oh wow. So anyway, but that was that took up a lot of my time plus just your regular sports stuff and going out and hunting and cutting firewood. Just general being a boy, you know. And Randy being the introvert, you did a lot of what kind of were you a tinkerer also? I'm trying to find parallels between all you guys. And then I'm going to ask mom next. I am probably classified as this. I won't say engineer, but I'm awfully I would say plant manager and I did AutoCAD work planning plot plans for multiple buildings, tying in all the infrastructure. And kept all that organized and fabricated a lot of machinery driven infrastructure pump stations and things like that worked with contractors and so on. But I would say I'm a fabricator, I still do that. I still have a machine shop out here in my garage. I do. Mechanical lathe work and rebuilding the telescopes and everybody wants me to weld and build stuff for it. With a local guide, the go to world. I am the builder. Yeah. Log splitters and things everybody wants and boat dock works and which stations and things. So I'm still engineering and drawing and doing things like that. That's a big deal and mom. I'll let them tell you what they think. No, no. I don't know. You're allowed to. When you do, you do amazing stuff. Let's hear it. Oh. Well, I design and build and decorate and paint and do music and love on my girls a lot. And you guys are all so you're one of the most handy people I know mom with fixing things and with wood and lathing and I had two clothes. Yeah, I had two brothers and I used to pay attention to what they did, and they would rebuild engines and in those days it was pretty straightforward. Now it's crazy. But yeah, I at least give it a great shot if nothing else. Sorry. Did grandpa Carter was he real? Was it important to him for you guys to know how to do certain things? Oh, yes. That's my opinion. Leave his stuff alone. Well, mainly, yeah, leave his stuff alone and never use anything without permission. Wow. You know, like if I needed to use the drill, we'd get into arguments.

01:15:04 - 01:20:02

He would call it a drill and I said, no, the drill is what goes in the check. It's a drill motor. And don't tell me, I've been using these things for 50 years and you know, so anyway wow. We agreed to disagree on that kind of stuff. But you guys got, did you guys ever get in beefs with grandpa? I mean, it sounds like there was some disagreements and I mean, you know, you can distance yourself for a while and then somebody's got to break the ice and figure out what happened and that's happened to me a couple of times with grandpa, but mom always your grandma was always there. The mediator. Bridge. Yeah. And she realized that that you got to realize he went through World War II with some major psychological pressure in its copies, whatever it is. Yeah. And it really wasn't a diagnosable problem for them back then, but with those kind of pressures. The short tempered areas that you just had to back off yourself and kind of adjust and let things slide. So that's one thing. So you guys didn't end up in therapy or it sounds like you just let it go. Yeah, I don't think they even had it available back then. It was just, you know, it was just one of the things that happened. It wasn't just him, but, you know, there were other people that I noticed that acted a lot like dad did. And they had gone through similar things, you know, like that. Your grandfather our dad from what I've been able to glean came very close to not being our dad. He was, he out of 5 people. The Jeep that he was writing in was blown up by a German 88 cannon from across this canyon. And he was the only one left alive out of 5. And I remember him saying that he laid face down in the mud for I think it was like a whole day. Before his infantry found him. And he were they were stringing, they were stringing a phone line. And when the phone 9 never got connected, they followed it and found the Jeep. And they, everybody was just scattered all over the place and my dad was laying there face down in the mud. And I'm not really sure where it was, but I think it was in Italy. Northern Sicily, I think, he said. Was it Sicily? I can't remember. I do remember, I think Randy's got it. If you girls ever get a chance, take a look at the walking cane that he has and it has his name on it and rank in everything and the places that he had been he was in on the. I can't remember now what was the name of that landing called the march? North Africa? He was being run around by Patton in the third army. You can just trace the yeah. You can follow you can follow where they went on the cane. Look at that. They were up against they were up against Rommel's stuff like that. Turn it, turn it opposite, Randy. There you go. Now we can read it. Let me get lined up. Can you see it now? Yep. Perfectly. Not backwards? No, it's perfect. Okay, there's that. And this is saw action in Africa Sicily and Italy. And it was operation torch.

01:20:03 - 01:25:09

That was the name of the operation. The landing. It was in Italy. It was Italy. It could certainly saw action in Africa Sicily in Italy. And wounded in action. I don't know exactly what RCH means. I don't either. Just so you know, we're looking at the walking stick. Oh, you were looking at it. Okay. Randy's got it. Modern technology. That's really cool. I'm glad you have that. That's neat. I have a cassette tape. I interviewed grandpa Carter. When I was 14 or something for a project. And I have heard that. You did. Okay. So nice. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm trying to find it. I packed it away after I took pictures of it and transcribed it. And I put it in a drawer, I just have to go dig it up and want this to send you a copy of it. Yeah, wait, you have it too? Jenny, Scott's wife has it, and so she was showing it to us at Christmas because we couldn't find it either. But she had. She has it's a transcript, right? Just me typing out the conversation. Right. Yeah. So I have the actual audio of grandpa talking. On a cassette tape. Oh, okay, maybe I made copies at one point. Okay, good. The only thing I have that I can recall that had anything to do with dad was at his funeral when Joyce and I sang. And. I don't believe I ever received a copy of it and I would like it too if you don't mind. Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to find that and get it copied for all you guys because it is. I'm still working. But I told him I was going to send him a zip drive of all these old pictures. We have sand. Toys probably has more than I did because she got to him first. You got a bunch of them under that bed, didn't you? Mom sheriffs? Yes. As long as everybody is everybody is on the phone. There's one thing that sticks in my mind and I really, I thought it was on Joyce's wall. But there's a picture of a obviously. It's a daguerreotype picture. Sepia, sepia tone. And there's a tall guy standing next to an Indian woman, a Native American woman, and he had a hat on kind of like the French fur traders war. And she was standing next to him in a gingham dress and a hat, and it looked like, you know, that popular picture with a guy in a pitchfork and oh yeah, yeah. His wife next to him. That's what it looked like, but I mean, it was not that picture. It was of our great grandfather and great grandmother. Really? Would be your guys's great, great grandmother and great great grandfather. So somewhere, I've got better on a flash drive. You do. You do? Oh no. So showing a different picture. So wait, you're saying that we. I saw that. I love that. So Bill, you're saying that we do have an American Indian in our background. Somewhere, somewhere in the Carter repertoire. Yes. That's Dan. How are we supposed to say it? Yes. Anyway, somewhere in all of the gatherings and everything. If I recall correctly, it was approximately the size of an 8 by 8 by 7 or 5 by 7, excuse me. Okay, I knew that we had an American Indian somewhere in our background. Randy, do we? What? From what mom told me.

01:25:13 - 01:30:15

From what mom told me is that our grandmother or her mother was one quarter I think it's either one quarter or one half Cherokee. I knew that. I told you well that. And if. That picture is any proof, I didn't know. Don't recall any writing on it or anything else. It just was hanging on a wall. But it would look like that was a, like I said, a Native American woman. And the man was taller and he was dressed like a French man. Love it. Or like, you know, he was dressed like what they would have, you know, what they wore up in the northwest or something like that. Like for children. You know how they had those knit those net winter caps. And had a ball on the top and always hung over? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, a French fur trader. Yeah. Yeah. And reason it had a ball on top is so they could hang it on a branch. They could hang it on a pig. Because it was just. A trapping never mind. I better be quiet. Carter. There you go. That's the Cartier. I always, I always thought that we had maybe connections with Cartier. Yeah. Carter. You know, they have a lot of diamonds and stuff like that. So can you check into that? So this picture. I have whether or not you guys are interested. Yeah, I love all this. They're hard to shout over anything because they're so big by the time you scan them, I'll have to send it. Or something. Even taking pictures and texting pictures to me is cool too. It's maybe not as great quality, but it's fine. I mean, it ends up being pretty good with these iPhones. Now pictures of pictures. Yeah, yeah, taking pictures of pictures. It's fast. Now this picture of the trader and the Cherokee woman were in grandma and grandpa's collection. Like I said, that was hanging on a wall, and you know, I'm not trying to pick an argument with my sister. But I could have sworn it was on the wall where I slept down there. Downstairs. There was a bathroom next to the bedroom. And it was on the wall. There was a short wall that led to the stairs that goes upstairs. And on that short wall, as you're going out of the stairs, it would be on my right hand side. Okay, I'm gonna go. It was on that wall, but that's okay. I'm going to go home in March, and I will open all my I have archival photos in those acid free boxes. And I will go through each and every one and see what I can find. Because I want to have some exotic Cherokee in me. Also, don't we have the photo of the old crumpled sweet grandma that we thought was Indian, right? Yeah, so maybe we could show that to Bill and Randy and see if it was. I don't know if you recall, I don't know. And I don't know if you guys ever paid any attention. But Randy and Joyce and I had no trouble at all getting us on ten. Oh, I know. I know. It's really quick and walked downtown perfectly white and come back like we've been on the beach. And not get a sunburn. So did you guys? Did you hear any stories about this elusive grandma? No, not that I can really recall what I got was from my mom, you know, and I never heard my dad say anything as far as that's concerned, but my mom was very, it was mentioned more than once.

01:30:16 - 01:35:00

Well, just looking at her among her peers in elementary school and all of them are a little white kids and then here's mom who's got really brown skin. Yeah. And straight black hair. Yeah. You go out, I swear that our grandmother, you know, viola. Right. She shake it lean up against the pecan tree and disappear. Yeah, really? I mean, she was almost in the summertime. She was almost that dark. That would be the chatham side. Yeah, chatham. Okay, I'll tell you well. She really did work hard. You have I do have an ancestry and things like that started. So you have a family family tree maker with a lot of the stuff on it. Okay. Joelle, this is going to be music to Joel's ears. You guys can talk because Randy just said there's the chatham side of the family that might have the Native American. Okay, yeah, I have it all traced back to and I found out that grandma Edwards, your grandmother, was raised by her, sister. And always thought that that was her mother. Because her mother was really young and her husband got run over by a horse and buggy and killed. And so she gave the baby to her sister and she met a man and moved to New Mexico and has a whole family in New Mexico. So you have a lot of family in New Mexico, you guys. Not interested in this again. This was grandma Edwards. And this was kind of it's all based on death certificates that I looked up. And so grandma Edwards was raising a child that was her sister. No. No, grandma Edwards was the brave. She was the baby. Raised by her sister who she grew up thinking, I'm assuming thinking was her mother, or maybe she knew her mother left. But remember how our first time I've heard anything about that. So remember how our mother would always say that she was a daddy's girl and that she didn't, that she didn't think that viola liked her all that much. Do you remember that? She was closer to she was closer to grandpa than to grandma. Right. She had, yeah, she had two big brothers that were in the military and they had a lot of respect in the Edwards family for the two Thomas and jewelry. Right. And so between Thomas and Julian, she was left to just kind of wander around. And I think that's where that came from. The crest to get the boys through college. Through a and M and kind of lift mom in the dust. I think that's where she might have had that feeling. I don't know, that just was my thinking. So when you were with grandma and grandpa Edwards, I never got the warm fuzzies from viola. I don't know if she knew how to hand it out, you know? She taught me how to cook. Yeah. I was in the kitchen all the time with her, but so was she. She was in the kitchen all the time. And I also learned how to churn butter back on the back porch. She would she would sit there and churn butter with one hand and read usually paperback novels with the other. So I have that butter churn. At my oh, you do. I do. Grandma Carter, mom, mom, gave it to me with the story that went with it. And that butter churn had been handed down to viola. From her side of the family also, and you can actually see where her hand wore out this stick.

01:35:01 - 01:40:04

It's just really a small sheet. She taught me how to churn butter and usually it was I was giving her a break. I never really I don't remember bringing butter to fruition, but I was always filling in like she'd have to go to the honey house there to get the laundry. Take the laundry out of the washing machine and get it ready to rinse, you know, and all that. And so Randy, I remember you getting your hand. In the ringer of the washing machine, I don't remember it. You probably don't remember it because you wouldn't be around. No. Elko, Nevada. That was around three years old. So you would have been a baby little talk. But I remember looking at the back of your hand and worrying so much because you had a scar on it. It's still there, but I remember the only thing I could do is holler for mom, you know, the thing was just churning his hand wouldn't go through. But the automatic release didn't release either. And I remember my mom running over there and smacking the top of that thing and it flipped up. Well, you better. And girls. You have to remember back then they didn't have spin cycles on The Voice. They had ringers mounted on the top. So why would it ever get close clean? Two rubber wheels that can put your hand in, but you can't get it back. So you guys, I pulled up our family tree and so Jesse viola, who is, you know, your mom's mom was her parents were named fort Jesse chatham and Nancy nanny Ellen chatham. Now this was the one in question, she was born Hauser and she remarried and moved to New Mexico. And married someone named. Meyers, so there's a whole Myers family in New Mexico, I believe. Because she has a sister, let's see. Anyway, I can send you all this stuff. But I screwed up on the Odom because odoms that it mixed in there too, and I just couldn't remember the name chatham, but I knew better than that. Oh, that's okay. No, Odom too. I have been on here too. Yeah, and there's your sister when she was little. That's choice. Little baby Joyce. So we're showing a picture of me as a baby, peel. And I'm holding a little piggy. And I gotta say, I was really cute. I do have, I do have some prints or some copies. Of our old I call them brownie pictures, you know, because they were made with an old Kodak brownie camera. And a lot of them with me and an old union suit. Eric coverall, everything. I didn't know anything about Levi's until I think I was 15. I don't know. All the baby pictures where I was in a union suit. Well, it said union on it. So that's what I called it. Cute. They were talking about New Mexico people too. But it just came to mind that uncle clay was a sheriff out in New Mexico. You're right. So there are other connections through that family that are probably still out there in New Mexico. Yeah, and the name clay, that clay and rush. And there's all kinds of those names. I hated to interrupt your Bill, keep going. I'm sorry. Oh, no, no, no, but bring to mind that. Mom that you kids grandmother, she really did not like having to tell somebody her full name because she hated clay. Well, I do remember that. It was busy and clay Carter. Or at least that's what I remember. I don't know why they named me after some boy.

01:40:05 - 01:45:00

Some boy or some something. I can't remember. It was her uncle, uncle clay. Yeah. And then I never could figure out how, you know, a technique a long time to figure out why my middle name was handley. And I was named after if I recall correctly, it was the band director or the director of music at either Texas a and M or University of Texas. I thought it was Baylor. Well, maybe it was Baylor. I know it was one of the, one of the schools in the general area, same me like Waco or somewhere in that general area. And Dallas, and that's cool. And the carters were influenced by that bandleader. Well, we had a grandpa Carter Bill, William hendley, had a sister, Ethel, and wasn't she like a concert pianist. And played, if I remember right, orchestrally, for either a and M or UT or Baylor. They would ask her to get up on stage all the time to play. So probably. And do you remember? Go ahead. I was a junior and so they figured that I didn't need to be explained to or in the heck that came from. You know, so. Yeah. That's it. So anyway, I took a while, but I was told I was named after, well, obviously I was named after my dad, but someone had influenced his mom and dad that. He should be named after the music director of one of the colleges. And I think that was Ethel's producer. Yeah. If I remember right. Having briefly known my grandpa Carter and grandma Carter. I never heard of note one from any of those. Me either. They just, they were just farmers. That's it. And that was it. Okay, I do know that you're not supposed to wash out a pipe with soap and water. But that's funny. I did get a spanking over that. Do you remember Bobby Sue? Barely. Yes. Do you remember how she would do that honky tonk piano playing? Oh yeah. The whole Carter string of brothers and sisters all did that. If you remember the nickname for one of the brothers was nigg. Yes. Yes. Nick was played in a band. There around grand view worth or boy was and it was a black group. He got stuck with that. I did not know that. And so he played in it, dad picked it, picked the piano guitar. From there and yeah, his name was I remember dad. Carlton, right. All right, probably go by Nick too. And then uncle bob, which was down in San Diego. Yeah, buster was in San Diego. Yeah. Uncle buzzer. So you guys came from a huge line of music. It sounds like. Yeah. Self made. Well, I remember, I remember dad getting on there and. Not crack off at tenth street. No. Norton avenue. No, not Norton. It was Shiloh? Shiloh. Shiloh place. 88 O two, Shiloh place. Very good. And anyway, I can remember him ever once in a while. Would get on, he just go by the piano, pull the bench out and sit down and he'd just run through some chords and a little bit of this and that and everything.

01:45:01 - 01:50:04

And everyone once in a while, he'd do the boogie woogie on the base. That's it. And base in courts. That's it. You know, just like just like, and I had taken music lessons, you know? And my mount Shasta and the piano teacher refused to let me do that on her piano. Snoot. I tried, I tried to do it. You know, because everyone in a while, dad would do the same thing on the piano at the Methodist Church. He just stand over it though, and he'd do that, you know? And then you make people laugh and stuff like that. Well, I remember Bobby Sue would sit down and start playing and then she'd push the bench back and stand up. And she, I mean, literally rocked the piano playing. Yeah. And I just oh man. She could just nail it. She played it. She played at churches. She was a church. Was she? Yeah, and it's there in icasa. Wow. Okay. Yeah. She was great. So there you go. We got it. You were also there's a lot of music. There's a lot of music there. I don't think anybody mentioned it, but. Randy and Joyce and myself and our dad would sing in a Quartet every once in a while. Where was that? We did. We did. We would do this. We would practice at the house there in Tucson. But and Randy was totally against it. He did not want to do it. So there were several trios. No. There were several trios there. When Randy went back out, no. He was always Bobby was incredible, but that's just me. Not me. One of my favorites. You know, I was saving it, that's what I was. Yeah, right. Somebody during this conversation said something about statler brothers. Well, that was something that I always liked when they came on, you know, whenever they came on the scene, and we always at the baptist church, you know, first Southern Baptist, they would always have people stopping in from hither and yon. With musical groups and everything, and there was slipped my mind again. Oak ridge? Statler's. No, the gatling Scotland. Oh, Larry gatlin brothers. Would come by from time to time. And they did, they did the old gospel music and stuff like that. So I got, I don't know about you and Randy, but I know I got a pretty good dose of that and it stuck. And I was doing that all through my whenever I attended church. I would kind of lacks on it for a while, but when I went back to going to church and everything, that was one of the first things that I remember doing for like here in Spokane for 20 years at the Presbyterian Church is shocking the people in the congregation. We would get together, you know, there was four of us that would get together and one of them was a staunch. Barbershop singer. And we would get together, no notice. They'd put it in the bulletin. And that was it. And we'd get up there and the next thing you know, we had people actually clapping at the end at the end of the song. Because most of them were happy songs and stuff like that. And we had people that, you know, who had been going to this church for 50 years, and that's the first time I've ever heard anybody clap for a musical performance.

01:50:06 - 01:55:03

And it was like, even I clapped, you know, that type of thing. And it was like we were bringing change. Good. Because the presbyterians were always called the frozen chosen. That's funny. So anyway. Wow. But music has always been part of the Carter legacy. Oh, wait. But I love that because Joel was saying that she traced back, I'm going to bring up, but you just said that one of your relatives played with the all black band. And that's awesome. So they're in a time of a lot of segregation and everything. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That's pretty cool. And you know, that's part of my history when I would go stay with my grand, you know, with my grandma and grandpa and grandview. As I would be admonished not to stop at. Well, in town, I know. That's what I told the girls. I had friends there. But they called it what it was back then. But anyway, but I would still walk down to walker's creek or go fishing out at spratling's dairy farm to go to one of the cattle ponds, and I'd stop and get this guy named Jimmy. Who was about a year, maybe two years older than me. And we would go fishing. He'd grab the cane pole off the side of the house and we'd stop at the spradlin dairy pile. You know, where the manure was and we'd grab a bunch of red wigglers and head out to the pond and go fishing. And I got and I had no idea, you know, we lived in Tucson. I had no idea that there was any such a thing as segregation. And I always thought it was kind of strange that I couldn't bring him over to the house. But what I could do is I could ride in the buck board because his dad would drive around the city of grandview and pick up garbage. For the city and he'd have Jimmy with a mirror once and while and it was okay for me to ride with, you know, I can't think I can't remember his name now, but anyway, ride with Jimmy's dad to go pick up garbage. But I couldn't go play with him. Yeah. And there was kids all over the town there, though, that would jump on the back of the buckboard whenever there was room, and they'd ride two or three blocks, you know? And laughing and everything like that, and everybody's having a good time, and nobody had ever heard of, you know, the word segregation. If they did, it was whispered. And it was, you know, and then after I stopped going to bear in view anymore, after grandma and grandpa died and everything like that, it was still not common where I was, you know, Northern California, mount Shasta and places like that in Tucson. But anyway, that was part of my experience when I was a kid. I was probably, I don't know, ten years old, maybe ten. I remember, I remember one Sunday afternoon that you me and Randy went through, I think it was like a cornfield or some place, and we were right on the edge of the other side of town, and they had the doors to the church open. And it was really down home, honky tonk, gospel singing. And we crouched down, and that was the worst case of chickens, I ever got in my whole life. And we were on the third step down and we were afraid we were going to get caught. And it wasn't because a listening to it.

01:55:03 - 02:00:05

It was because we were in the wrong part of town. And that was a big, no, no. That's a Beach Boys song. That's there you go. Oh no. I know. But that was. Yeah. Loved the music. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. It's some of the best around. It's been kind of, I don't know. Nowadays, it's, to me, they've gotten away from the old style. And now it's, you know, and my old fashioned way of saying it, it's kind of like a lot of screeching anymore. Well, not all of it, but some of it. That's funny because data used to say that. Oh, there's reaching again. Oh, he would see what probably while he's probably has rolled over in his grave. If he's heard how they have, he would probably say desecrated. I think I would, too, the national anthem. Oh yeah, yeah. You know. That was always a plot along song, you know? Right, right. And so Julie Ann asking if you thought dad was patriotic. And anyway, and I was always raised with the standard way of doing it. You know, and I just, what they, there's not much you can do with that song. I hate to say it, but it's not really, you know. You say it's the freedom of speech now and those are artists, and they do what they do bad. Yeah, I know. There you go. From their hearts. They're all. I like that attitude. Any other stories you guys want to tell from childhood? I can't drink a grape soda without being in Graham view. Oh, Jesus. Well, that knows banana goes banana well nowadays they've got starbursts, but they were like a oversized starburst and they were banana. Yep, that was good. And you get in at uncle Dex store, you go to the glass bowl that had the metal lid on it and pick it up and grab a handful. I've got and leave the next one. Okay. I would leave a nickel on the table and say you picked that up and put it back in your pocket. Anyway okay, Randy, what's yours? As a kid, the most pressure situation I was ever put in, was when I was learning to drive. One of the first things that you learned to drive was the stick and you got into car, mom and dad are in the back seat. Joyce was sitting in the front seat with me, and we're going to church. All the way. Know what you're going to say. I know what you're going to say. And dad is sitting right behind me. With his hand on the seat and everything. You tell me that's not pressure. Oh, and then he'd make you drive through that one lane tunnel. Yeah. Yeah. And it sometimes it would be water in it from The Rain. But anyway, that was a good was awful. It was so long. I remember. I mean, I was good driver, it never came. I got us where we were going and didn't install the cars. But boy, that was bad. And then I could remember that. You guys, I having gone through the experience of you guys learning how to drive by time I got there. It was a piece of cake because I knew all the rules and rags. You could drive a stick and everything. So yeah, that was it. Yeah. I remember yours. Can I break in? Yes. You mean the rules and regs at Le Mans? Yeah. That's what I remember when we took off when I would last went down and visited you. Oh, me. Oh, the way I drive now. I don't mess around that. You've got a point there. No, you don't. Speaking of that, how did you shoulder? Horrible, always has been always will be it's almost ten years now, but it doesn't stop me.

02:00:06 - 02:05:06

I do everything anyway. Thanks for asking. How's yours? Both of them are screwed up, but that's okay. Yeah. It's good. Sound like I got a second sack of rocks in each shoulder when I'm wiggling it around, but other than that, is this a genetic thing? How come both your shoulders? Well, called hard work. Yeah. Throwing baseballs to play too much baseball and throwing everything. Right. I pulled on, I pulled on too many wrenches and done quite a bit of physical stuff too. Yeah. Let's see. Knees are gonna get old too. Right. Just other thing. Yeah, knees are touch and go. It's all right. That's all right. I know, when I go through the airport, I light up that thing that is standing stand there, Fred eagle. That's good. And the guy you can just see the guy start at the top and work his way down like that and he's been anymore. Yeah. I ended up having to, I think I told Joyce about it, you know, she could check in on it, but I had trouble with one of my implants on my right arm and my right shoulder, and what they did is a reverse total implant, and they just basically turn it around because they can only repair the. Thing that holds it together. So many times. I apologize, girls. We're a bunch of old parks. We're right behind you. Things are starting to fall apart over here too. Well, you guys, it's been really fun. Yeah. I know. You guys be safe. You guys are so great. I love that you're all broken because of hard work. And. I love all these memories. You guys are so sweet, as siblings. It's so wonderful to see you. I wouldn't trade my memories that I've been able to have. And that have been brought up since we've been talking for anything in the world. And it's good. And I'm really, you know it's too bad, I'm not a globetrotter, but anyway, I would be all for trying to get together again in a neutral site. Randy. Do you feel neutral? I gotta get another boat. My boats up there on the lot, I was gonna sell it against coming to summertime. I have a pontoon boat out. I've got a rent house. Yeah, we could have a B and B we could have an Airbnb out here. Well, we can rent. We could grant to RV and motor down to you. So we might just there's ways to make it happen. There's nothing in between. 5, 600 miles. You don't want to go. So we'll fly into Austin then rent an RV. I just bring a car and give you a car and a beat around in it. That's the way to do it. Well, that would be fun to take you up the airport. Yeah, there you go. All right. Well for me. Uber driver to bring you out here. There you go. Show well. Yeah. Are you gonna be okay? Maybe I should. I could podcast. I could podcast from an Uber. I think a school bus would be slightly better than an Uber driver. Okay. All right. I'll think about it. I'm really happy that at least the kids are sober. I'm really happy that old through all the years, everything is hung together with you guys and you've turned out as good as you have and I wish you all the luck in the world and all the blessings that you can handle. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Bill. Uncle Randy. We feel the same way about you all are wonderful human beings. Yeah, bye.

02:05:08 - 02:10:00

You guys. Thank you so much. Joel. I didn't hear him Charlotte's answer. Did she want to buy with grandpa's million bucks or whatever? Oh, it was something totally sweet, like a bag of candy. It was something a little. It was cute. She didn't want to waste your money, so. I'm not sure I'm the grandpa she. Okay. Yeah. Bye guys. Bye. Bye. Love you. Okay. Bye. Bye bye. Bye. Well, mama. That is an editing nightmare. All right, that was it. That was our big episode with our uncles and our mom and learning more about the Carter side and thank you for indulging us in a walk down memory lane and getting some family history recorded. What do you think? Was that fun? Did you like it? It was so cool. I just think they're beautiful. And I really want to have a family reunion. I'm really sitting down in Austin, Texas. I know. I want to go to that old cemetery and see the graves and get some clues because I love doing genealogy stuff. It's like a big puzzle. It's fun. That's cool. That was neat that you knew a lot about the history. I pulled it up. Yeah, I have a little app. And we have some Native American. I thought that we were. We have to confirm this. I need to figure out how to confirm this or not. I know. This is exciting. I know. All right, we're going to find out more about our roots, roots. All right, everybody, thank you for listening to mouse and wings. She just kissed me if you're not watching YouTube. But we will be on mouse and wings dot com with everything we're going to transcribe this and we will give you guys this is getting weird. So you give her a scarf and she gets saucy. We are going to put all this on YouTube as well as mouse and wings dot com with our transcript notes. And this is awkward. What? What do you want? It feels like a television show. You're supposed to look at each other. We're not just staring straight forward. Well, thank you for listening to mouse and Wiens. We are on mouse and weeds dot com. You can find all of our trans groups there. You can sign up for alerts if you'd like to know when special events are happening, just go to mouse movies dot com, it pops right up. We would love to be in touch with you. We want to thank all of you our listeners. All right, enough. I'm staring right at her. And we do want to thank our listeners and our patrons, especially because they are the ones that give us the Gusto to keep this thing moving and knowing that they find value in our show. And we find value in our show because you find value in our show. You get it. If you go to mouse and dot com, you can link to Patreon. It says become a member. You can support us, mere $5 a month, gets you a swag bag. It gets you a bunch of behind the scenes content and outtakes and bloopers and we're going to put the whole unedited version of this there. So if you'd like to see all the ins and outs because we'll edit this one, it's a longy stop looking at me. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna make this into bloopers. You give her in front of a camera. Look at me. I'm losing out. Staring at me the whole time. I was just trying to keep a straight face through it. It's awkward. I know, all right, I'm so sorry. But anyway, thank you, listeners, and family. We want to thank all of our weekends. And we will be back soon. Close it up to us. Thank you. Stop talking. All right, we love you. Bye bye. Follow us on Maslow's dot com. Follow us at most of the week. Oh my God. Now? Do you want me to? Sure. Okay. Are we testing? It looks like it's working. It's fine. Okay. I can go now. I wanna be back in Tennessee with incumbent, we're Friends so many went back on me where you can go and leave me with two. Never let me crush your mind for your heart. You love enough leave me little darling. I don't mind. This was a podcast of the podfix network. You can check out more shows like it at podfixnetwork.com.


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Joyce Carter

Joyce Carter is our sweet mom who passed away January 2023. She was a regular on our show and our #1 fan of course! Joyce grew up with two older brothers, moving around the west with her mom and dad, who worked for Southern Pacific Railroad. They settled in Tucson Arizona, where she spent her junior high, high school, and university years majoring in music and part of many choral groups. She met our dad at the U of A, and they started their young family, raising us in Northern California. There, we learned the joys of music, nature and art with our young mom staying home to raise us. Later, after self-taught decorating, Joyce became an interior designer in Danville and started her own business, Silkwood Interiors. She ended up divorcing our dad as they grew apart, but married Cowboy Denny and found her second chapter in love! They moved to Idaho in the 90's where she became a wonderful horsewoman in competitive reining. She also spent 27 as the designer for a home building company Skidmore Inc. Joyce helped design, build, and decorate over 400 homes in the Idaho Falls area, winning many awards. She also took up watercolor painting and produced many, many wonderful pieces of art. Our mom was a fun, energetic, sweet, warm, loving, creative, talented, and strong woman who taught us that we can do anything we put our minds to. She was our Third Musketeer in our lives, with all of our girl trips, our get-togethers, snow birding in Temecula to be closer to all of us in San Diego, and our many talks and motherly advice. She loved to travel, to be around her grandchildren, to cook, garden, build, ride, sing, paint, play piano and guitar. She leaves behind such a void, as everyone she met was instantly moved by her connection and loving sensibilities. We are honored to have had her on our podcast recordings so many times and are glad to have shared her with our audience so they could get to know our wonderful mother. She will be so , so missed.